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Post by omgitsgunz on Mar 20, 2013 2:59:27 GMT -5
I spoke to magic about my position on religion, and it sparked a thought to me. What makes you believe or not believe? What drives your decisions, fuels your fires, and keeps you moving day by day in life?
For me, I can't believe. For those who don't know, I am 21. I'm a Type-1 diabetic. I have been since I was 16 months old.
On top of that, I was diagnosed with Celiac disease at 11. My body cannot properly digest items with gluten, most prominent in wheat products. My diet consists of primarily meat, potatoes, corn, and rice.
I can't believe because I hear that "god has a plan for us all"
Every time I hear this, I wonder what plan? What plan could justify a deity allowing an infant to be diagnosed with diabetes? Was my purpose to simply die, but science revoked that glory? Is Celiac another attempt to kill me, also thwarted by science? What's next? In that process, I find that any all-powerful and all-loving god is neither. The 'god' people love and worship is sadistic, cold, unloving, and merciless.
That's my stance. I'm interested to hear yours.
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Post by Magic Omania on Mar 20, 2013 3:37:22 GMT -5
I am a Presbyterian Christian, mostly because that is the religion I was raised with. I would describe my relationship with god as "chill." When I pray alone, it is not a "Dear lord, please do such and such... bless your name, amen" type of thing, it is more along the lines of "Hey God, sorry I haven't been to church in 3 months..."
As a musician, I find that works written for God (that is classical music) tend to contain more effort and emotion than other works from the same time period. This makes me believe that God has a way of working through artists to simply give people something to enjoy in life.
My biggest driving force for religion is having something to live for. I see little purpose in living if all there is to life is the science of chemicals reacting to produce certain energy pulses which are sent through space and matter to create everything. I am comforted in thinking that when all the energy barriers and matter barriers are broken down, something still exists.
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Post by omgitsgunz on Mar 20, 2013 3:57:28 GMT -5
Of course something still exists though, it's like the water on Earth. It is unwavering. The amount never changes. When water is displaced from the ocean, it does not disappear. It is moved, destructed, reconstructed, recycled. Chances are the water we drink now has been urine for some dinosaur or another long-lost animal millions of years ago. You can't make something of nothing, so no matter how far you break it, it still does remain.
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Post by Goldmage162 on Mar 20, 2013 8:46:20 GMT -5
Actually, the water your drinking is more likly urine from osome far more contemporary source.
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Post by Nytherinz on Mar 20, 2013 10:21:31 GMT -5
I think I am Agnostic. It seems like the most logical stance in my honest opinion. I just can't force myself to believe that a god it out there watching all this death and destruction, torture and pain. If he/she is, they are a sick god who from living forever got bored, so they decided to create a world and have people fight and get amused by that. If I was God I would probably eventually do that, but you know, my conscious wouldn't let me do too much unless I grew insane.
I acknowledge that there are things that science can't explain, and that is where I think if there isn't some extremely complicated scientific process explaining how it happened, then a supernatural force was there. But since we have no way of possibly knowing which one it it, I accept both theories and just go on with my life.
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Post by omgitsgunz on Mar 20, 2013 14:28:50 GMT -5
Things science can't explain...those dang magnets...
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Post by Little K-B on Mar 20, 2013 15:31:10 GMT -5
I was raised Roman Catholic, went through several years of CCD, did all of the sacraments that went with it, then really decided what I thought what is what.
In the bible, there's a story pretty similar to what Scott mentioned above. After Jesus' death, many of the apostles (11 of the 12) were hiding in a house for fear of persecution. With all the doors and windows locked, Jesus enters and speaks with them, and they all believed Jesus and whatnot. Except for Thomas, the missing apostle. He had to wait for Jesus to come back 8 days later and physically touch his hands where the nails went, before he would believe it.
This story is very much related to my view of the presence of God. Do I know if God is out there? No. Do I want to believe that there's God out there? dang straight! But I gotta see something tangible. Something so convincing that even the most hardcore atheist couldn't help but from admitting they were wrong.
@gunz. I know how it feels to be a diabetic broski. Sucks don't it?
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Post by omgitsgunz on Mar 20, 2013 17:50:50 GMT -5
do-do's nuts. I have an insulin pump, so I do one needle every few days + sugar checks, rather than 6+ a day.
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Post by Goldmage162 on Mar 20, 2013 18:56:08 GMT -5
The problem with dealing with an omniscient, omnipotent, omni-present deity is that it would be responsible for all god and all bad, not just both. This includes all the good for all animals, plants, micro-organisms, and yes, people. You would have to somehow match the "collective good" of all creation against the "collective bad" of all creation.
Also, one big problem is that for many things, doing good for/to one requires haminf/doing bad to another. For example, in order for you to have the "good" of a hamburger or salad, some animal or plant has to have the "bad' of getting killed.
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Post by omgitsgunz on Mar 20, 2013 19:01:01 GMT -5
"For all god and bad"
I c wut u did thar.
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Post by Goldmage162 on Mar 20, 2013 19:16:49 GMT -5
lol, just a typo
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Post by Revan on Mar 20, 2013 22:00:24 GMT -5
Id have to go with a lot of what scott says, perhaps there are supernatural forces out there, perhaps not. At this point I have yet to experience anything that cannot be explained by science at least to a degree even if we don't know exactly how everything involved works yet. No magic, miracles, nothing of that sort. Im also of the belief that everything is explainable somehow, we just havnt figured it all out yet and most likely never will.
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Post by Little K-B on Mar 20, 2013 23:06:32 GMT -5
do-do's nuts. I have an insulin pump, so I do one needle every few days + sugar checks, rather than 6+ a day. Ya I'm on a pump as well but it's hella cray during crew season (which is all year lmfao). Tbh this question will only be answered once the proclaimed apocalypse occurs or if we can invent time machines and see the creation of the universe. Until then, all we can do is take what we've personally experience and find what suits our experiences. Alot like the cognitive dissonance theory for psychologists  |
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Post by vasay (doofusface) on Mar 22, 2013 19:37:35 GMT -5
Will I get shot for my thoughts? Welp. Call me crazy. (If this degrades in formality it's because I'm tired)
What I believe is there is a God, and I do believe that He's good. I believe that there's sin, that is, actions against God's will, and that creates a division between God and man.
I also believe in the price for sin is death, and that nothing a sinner (everyone, you, me, that homeless dude on the street, the pastor in the church, the richest man on the planet, etc.) does is going to get him/her any closer to getting to heaven because we're all already stained with sin (did that get confusing? sorry).
So God sends Jesus, right? Now Jesus is like 100% spotless A++ clean, sinless, etc. which makes his sacrifice on the cross basically cover the people he chooses to save.
Why does he get to choose? Because Adam and Eve done goofed and got kicked out waaaaay back in Genesis, which is where the whole sin thing started. So God doesn't owe us.
I believe in God because, frankly, I can't believe otherwise. It sounds weird, I know. But what I know is He calls you, and that kind of call can't really be ignored. You can try and put it off, sure, but you're gonna end up believing anyway.
Also the Old Testament is God basically saying,"YOU HAD ONE JOB. ONE. JOB." and then everyone messing up and TA-DA *wipes out sinners* *calamity* *stuck in desert* *taken over*
This has been a long post and I apologize for the length ._.
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Post by Magic Omania on Mar 23, 2013 0:39:58 GMT -5
That is the best way that I have heard the bible described in "modern terms." Nice stuff!
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