obama good or bad?

[Revan]

well personally i think it was the wrong choice for the country. Obama is more unpredictable than mccain and also has less experience in affairs of governing. i also tend to agree with mccain's views a lot more than obama's views on most things.

[directxfire]

well i'm liberal to the core so i have to go with "good" for obama...also what was that KKK stuff being thrown around in ewoks' birthday thread...? yea, that's not offensive...

[Sir Ronin]

Agreed, Direct. That, aside from being rather ignorant, was simply not cool - carry yourself like a Jedi, jediace.

As for the question at hand, yes, I agree that Pres. Elect Obama is more unpredictable that McCain - but that is why I voted for him. We can be sure that he won't follow the same failing policies that brought the U.S. down.

[Revan]

i didnt say i wanted it to happen i just said it was most likely going to happen...
personally if anyone messes with the president, even obama, id voluenteer to execute them myself.

the problem is that there are elements of the country that are going to be outraged at this and are going to attempt assasination attempts... the kkk is only 1 such group. plus they have a decent chance of sucecding because obama is one of the few politicians that will go into crowds of supporters... from what ive seen of his campaign its surprising he hasnt already been assasinated...he keeps exposing himself to the possibility.

and ronin please specify how i am not carrying myself like a jedi?

[Sir Ronin]

Jediace - I don't believe I have to, just look over your posts and decide if you've really acted with honor. You already have my thoughts on that comment in the other thread, so I won't escalate an argument.

By the way, Pres. Elect Obama = good vote from me.

[Revan]

i wasnt going to argue i wast simply asking if i need to go change something that i wrote in a way that sounds bad... im not trying to... gah whats the word im looking for here.... uhhh maybe...dishonor myself over something this pathetic... im just trying to cause an intelligent debate here. of course if that isnt welcome ill ask for the thread to be deleted as soon as i can get ahold of a mod.

[mellainius]

I would have to state that Obama may have been a step toward the right direction. A few months back, I would have said that McCain was the better choice, but after seeing the reactions of Europeans, McCain's choice for vice president, and Obama's acceptance speech, it became clear to me that Barack was the better choice.

[Revan]

then at that point i have to say why does the support of the european countries that do not have the best interest of america at heart matter when choosing an american president?

[mellainius]

It is true that Europe has always sought out benefits to take from America, and it always has mattered, which we can clearly see from the 1919 peace talks in Paris. Without Europe, America loses its position as an economic powerhouse since that's where most of our exports go. Without a decent relationship between the American president and members of the EU, America would most likely fall due to a lack of money flow and open trading systems. Hence, even if John McCain made the better candidate, he would have to do what Obama already accomplished: winning the charm of Europe. This shows that Obama was the safest choice as far as diplomacy (one cannot deny that there exists no country in the world that disapproves of the Bush administration).

The less countries that hate us the better. Nobody can doubt that every civilized land in the world was on its toes as the election ended; our choice for president was the most important decision for the international community, considering our president is the "leader of the free world."

Since Europe likes Obama, he technically was the safest choice in the paradigm of diplomacy.

Plus, I'd like to put some attention on a few disagreeable decisions with McCain's voting history.

Things McCain Said "No" To

• thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR02095: (bill to make railroads safer by repairing)
  
• thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR02764: (bill to limit the number of missions in Iraq; to provide safe re-deployment of troops from Iraq)
  
• thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00021: "A bill to expand access to preventive health care services that help reduce unintended pregnancy, reduce abortions, and improve access to women's health care. ")
  
• thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR01585: (A bill limiting the deployment of more troops)
  
• thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR04297: (A bill which would allow a government committee to inspect the notions taken after Hurricane Katrina in order to improve future responses to natural disasters)
  

Also, you really cannot use the "he doesn't have any experience" argument due to McCain's choice for vice president. Take note that Palin is also quite inexperienced due to the environment of her ruling (the state of Alaska, where Palin rules over an eskimo, two polar bears, a salmon, and Ted Stevens) and the overall incompetence she displays.

Exhibit A:

Then there's McCain's senility, which further shows Obama as the better choice:

Exhibit B:
Exhibit C:

His tasteless, bad humour about war:



Truthfully, I cannot see how McCain would dare playfully joke around about war with Iran when the United States was already at war with Iraq -.- Obviously, not the smartest thing to do during wartime nor when you know that you may someday be the embodiment of the American people.

[Revan]

the thing with palin is out of all the people running she is the only one there with any executive branch experience at all and alaska is a lot more than polar bears and ted stevens...
it is the largest state in the union and is growing from mostly county houses into a few major cities and getting bigger even there. you shouldnt underestimate her because shes from alaska...

and the whole diplomacy thing is already messed up... obama has said already that he is willing to negotiate with iran... a country that is one of our worst enemies in this world, unconditionally... that sort of thing should either be conditional on some kind of proof of goodwill of somekind. or it shouldnt be happening at all and we should be putting more international sanctions on them to stop what they are doing in the international community.

[mellainius]

There were plenty of people McCain could have chosen, and it need not be someone from any executive branch, nor is it any better that she is from the executive branch. It is quite obvious that most of our candidates were senators, members of the legislative branch. Yes, Alaska is the largest state in the union, but it really comes down to all the problems the state faces and how well they are handled. I believe you are forgetting that one of the largest problems Alaska has ever faced was whether to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to paint a giant salmon on a 747. I do not underestimate her due to her Alaskan heritage. I criticize her for her lack of logic.

Yes, our diplomacy is on the rocks at the moment. This is due to 8 years of staunch Republicanism and bringing it up does not help McCain's case. I see no problem with meeting Iran on unconditional terms. The problem facing us is that we fail to realize that the Iranian government, although strict and immoral through our own values, is probably just as misunderstood as Japan during the Second World War (Mokusatsu). If we do not allow the country to talk to us on equal terms, then that is when diplomatic talks become useless. The more sanctions we put on them, the more they will hate us. Instead of trying to emasculate other countries, we should be speaking honourably with them rather than the "you hate us therefore you're inferior/barbaric/aggressive" attitude.

[Sir Dark]

*Sigh* American politics....You guys do know there were more than just two presidential candidates, right? The Green Party, Independent Party, and Constitutional Party all put forth candidates, they just never get any airtime by the media, and because of that, most eligible voters never find out about them without actively researching all candidates to the presidency.

Personally, I don't think Obama is the greatest thing for the country. That's not saying I think McCain is any better. I voted Constitutional myself.

Honestly, no real opinion can be given BY ANYONE on how he'll do as a president. We won't know until he actually takes office in January.

The real bad thing about Obama becoming the new POTUS is the fact that someone from Illinois has to be appointed by the governor to fill the senate spot Obama leaves behind. The thing is though, if the idiot governor wants to, he can appoint himself to fill that spot. God help the country if Blagojevich actually can start affecting the country at large.

Jediace, I think you underestimate the Secret Service a bit when you assume Obama is going to be killed. They're really the best of the best when it comes to personal protection. Now, I can see the point you are trying to make, someone's going to try. I really wouldn't be surprised if I open the paper one day to read that another crazy person was arrested for trying to assassinate the president.

[Sir Ewoksrule91]

they just never get any airtime by the media

Nader was on O'Riley Factor, besides him I never heard of anyone else

Even if he does get assassinated it will be from neo-nazi's and not the KKK since they don't exist much anymore. I am against Obama because I don't want the country being lead by pretty much the most liberal senator there is. (but according to 4% of one state he is too conservative...) But the thing I hate more is all the uninformed people voting for him just because of Oprah or his skin color (even though he is really white since race is decided by your mother's ethnicity) and that isn't just the black voters. Many other people's reason was because they thought it was time for a black man in the White House, apparently they don't care who. People knew so little that I heard of a TV show that asked people questions that used facts about McCain and said it was about Obama and they agreed. Like they said, "What do you think of Obama's pick for vice president, Sarah Palin?" and they said that they liked her and that his pick was good...

Although I think the country will be worse if Obama gets killed and then Biden dies of old age since he is almost as old as McCain, then Nancy Pelosi will be president...

[Sir Ronin]

One of Obama's leading aspects (for me anyway) that got me to vote for him was that he is going to negotiate with Iran. They are one of our worst enemies, that can't be denied by anyone. However, he is going to have talks with them regardless. Personally, I'd rather see that in the papers than another war starting up. Really, do you think it represents this country well to ignore them except with a show of force? No, it makes us look arrogant.

Nothing made me more want Sen. Obama in office more than his stance on Iraq. I have an uncle over there and I would give anything to either bring him home or take his place, two tours is not healthy. An end to this war, as well as the Iraqi government taking power back and standing up for itself is and should've been the goal of Pres. Bush's later years, not this "Surge."

[athrun33092]

to be honest, I thought it was Hillary who was going to win. are the elections still going on yet or not? has the final votes been cast?

I think they are all the same. maybe some are worse then others, but in my opinion they are pretty much all the same. The only one who would've made a real difference and help fix this country up, is Ron Paul. (and yes he was still running...)