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Post by Revan on Nov 9, 2008 0:38:30 GMT -5
thats what im betting on... so far im definitly not impressed with his chief of staff choice...
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Post by devilofall on Nov 9, 2008 10:08:12 GMT -5
I think Obama was a bad choice. Get ready for more taxes and more people on walfare. He is taxing the people with good paying jobs and 'spreading their wealth' around to people who are too lazy to get up off their butts and find a job. Instead, they are living on the streets in cardboard UPS boxes, getting handouts from Obama. Bad Choice.
Don't be a hater, vote for Nader!
Also, if you want an American-born celebrity running for president, you might want to consider Mike Ditka, his Vice-Pres. would definantly be Joe Paterno. They'd win, I'd vote for em.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 10:12:17 GMT -5
I'm OK with Obama as long as he doesn't turn the US into a socialist state... If he does, I'm moving back to China (which is supposed to be communist but actually is less socialist than GB).
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Post by Daimyo on Nov 9, 2008 11:10:08 GMT -5
I'm OK with Obama as long as he doesn't turn the US into a socialist state... If he does, I'm moving back to China (which is supposed to be communist but actually is less socialist than GB). You'd rather live in a state that blatantly opposes basic human rights - like freedom of speach - than a socialist state? Socialism really isn't that bad, in my opinion, you would need a nice balance of socialism and liberalism to make the perfect country. Free healthcare, decent public schools and focus on the environment from socialism, the free market and a decent economy from liberalism. |
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Post by Revan on Nov 9, 2008 11:20:12 GMT -5
personally id rather live in the the united states the way it was meant to be with a free market system and people earning everything they get not getting it handed to them by a government.
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Post by mellainius on Nov 9, 2008 12:31:09 GMT -5
I have nothing wrong with socialism. Just look at what its done to Canada ;D
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Post by Revan on Nov 9, 2008 13:06:32 GMT -5
and is canada a world leader in anything as it very well could be? no they have more internal problems that are always keeping them from reaching their potential...
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Post by mellainius on Nov 9, 2008 14:11:51 GMT -5
and is canada a world leader in anything as it very well could be? no they have more internal problems that are always keeping them from reaching their potential... One must admit that Canadians are prone to be MUCH happier than members of the United States. I doubt being a world leader is that important when you're content. |
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Post by Revan on Nov 9, 2008 15:17:28 GMT -5
well personally id rather live up to my best potential than to be happy and be useless...
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Post by directxfire on Nov 9, 2008 15:20:58 GMT -5
personally id rather live in the the united states the way it was meant to be with a free market system and people earning everything they get not getting it handed to them by a government. right...but the free market system is flawed and the "american dream" of being able to work your way up from poverty to wealth with nothing but hard work is just not true. sure, it's happened and you hear success stories from time to time but as i've stated, the system is flawed. how many immigrants do you see running corporations and businesses? they work their tails off when they come over here and yet, the large majority of their hopes and dreams are left unrealized. i hate to sound sterotypical or whatever but that's the truth... all that being said...do you really think that it's fair to criticize the people who would be benefiting from obama's new policies? the large majority of them do work hard but it's the system that locks them into their impoverished lives... just don't be so close-minded... |
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Post by Revan on Nov 9, 2008 17:01:42 GMT -5
im not being close minded... the fact is that obamas policies will help a few at the cost of the majority of others...
that is not what america is about at all and it is a disgrace to the country...
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Post by mellainius on Nov 9, 2008 17:19:49 GMT -5
Apparently, it will help the majority of Americans. This is something we can find in the polls and the election results. Otherwise, he would not have won.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 17:42:33 GMT -5
Rich vs Poor II? lol... Seriously, if my family gets one more penny added onto our already $50k tax, we're seriously moving back  . I feel like we're getting only 10k of stuff... And in China, as long as you don't cause a ruckus and pay your few dollars of Communist Party dues (optional but recommended), you're fine... Also, China has a ton of money that we're supposed to be paying back to them in the next few years (thanks to Bush). |
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Post by Sir Ewoksrule91 on Nov 9, 2008 17:52:41 GMT -5
Of course you brag about your situation again... that seriously pisses people off.
Tax cuts to some might be ok but it shouldn't be less than $250,000 and you get it... if your making 6 figures you are fine unless you have a lot of kids or people to take care of. Also raising taxes for everyone making more than that will hurt small businesses, many of the owners have to file all the profits of the company on their own personal taxes and that will hurt them incredibly bad because they aren't really making that much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2008 17:54:22 GMT -5
How is having a $50k tax good? I'm not bragging, just making a point. I don't want to pay 50k for 10k...
Also, the companies that survive the crisis will just base more of their operations in Asian countries (and some will even just move out) if we tax them like crazy.
Socialism is not the answer to the world's problems. China (supposedly communist) is better off than the EU and NATO because of their free market and tax systems. You pay for the benefits that you want from the CP. That's a little more fair. Yet they still have a few hundred billion bucks that we're supposed to pay them. Booyah! Lets raise taxes because we were spending maniacs!
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. I feel like we're getting only 10k of stuff...
