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Post by mellainius on Nov 9, 2008 19:36:45 GMT -5
How is having a $50k tax good? I'm not bragging, just making a point. I don't want to pay 50k for 10k... Also, the companies that survive the crisis will just base more of their operations in Asian countries (and some will even just move out) if we tax them like crazy. Socialism is not the answer to the world's problems. China (supposedly communist) is better off than the EU and NATO because of their free market and tax systems. You pay for the benefits that you want from the CP. That's a little more fair. Yet they still have a few hundred billion bucks that we're supposed to pay them. Booyah! Lets raise taxes because we were spending maniacs! communist? You are forgetting that it is more than adequate to be called a disciple of Marxist ideology. What you're forgetting is that there is a trade-off for higher taxes: healthcare benefits and social services. China harbors the largest population of a country in the entire world, and many parts of it are struggling to reach a higher status of life. Also, if China is as good off as you think it is, I am sure China would have gladly decided to stay at their current position on the political scale. However, you are forgetting that China is slowly reaching a socialist state in order to avoid an inevitable economic crisis which most communist countries have experienced due to following extreme leftist ideology (USSR, anyone?). |
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Post by Revan on Nov 9, 2008 21:48:29 GMT -5
china is not going into socialism... they are killing off or arresting anyone that tries to stop them from doing what they want....and that has nothing to do with the topic... back onto obama...
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Post by mellainius on Nov 9, 2008 22:34:23 GMT -5
Actually, it is. Example 1: Perestroika.
But yes, back on topic. Obama is obviously not the perfect candidate, but one cannot deny he can at least remember the number of houses he owns -.-
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Post by Daimyo on Nov 10, 2008 9:24:29 GMT -5
Besides, if he dies, we won't end up with President Palin....
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Post by Revan on Nov 10, 2008 13:50:47 GMT -5
daimyo u were looking forward to a female president werent you?
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Post by directxfire on Nov 10, 2008 14:48:51 GMT -5
im not being close minded... the fact is that obamas policies will help a few at the cost of the majority of others... that is not what america is about at all and it is a disgrace to the country... so you're saying that the majority of the american populace is in the upper class, running big business, and making tons of money? that's simply just not the case. what is un-american is saying "screw all the people who were born into less fortunate circumstances or have harder lives than me. all i care about is the fact that i get all my money". yea, there are some people in the lower class that are there because of poor decisions/behavior and, regrettably, those people do deserve to be in the positions they are. you, however, are making mass generalizations about all of the poor (to even middle class) people of the nation. assuming that they're all lazy, good for nothings is just the wrong thing to do, especially given the state of the nation at this time. |
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Post by Revan on Nov 10, 2008 15:04:58 GMT -5
im not and i never did say that... the problem is that helpinbg those few at the cost of everyone else in this country is not really a good thing because there are a few out there that dont deserve being in that position but the majority of them, and yes i am informed on this i work around a lot of these people, are either on something like drugs or alcohol or they are just plain lazy... i have no problem helping out people that are unforunate but the government shouldnt be forcing us to do so. its a personal responsibility...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 16:49:10 GMT -5
I have no problem helping others as long as they meet these conditions: No criminal record (felony or higher) Less than $5000 per person+$20k for household Legal resident of the US Does 75 hours of service per year per person unless disability prevents Sadly, less than half of households meeting the second condition will meet all four. Some people will just think "Ooh free stuff lets get Obama!" I think that you should give some stuff to get free st00fs  . About Obama... I personally don't like him because he thinks we have infinite $. Just look at all his programs. Is he planning to pay all by himself? And while he's criticizing Bush, does he have any plan whatsoever to reduce the deficit instead of adding on to it? |
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Post by South on Nov 10, 2008 16:57:58 GMT -5
I have no problem helping others as long as they meet these conditions: No criminal record (felony or higher) Less than $5000 per person+$20k for household Legal resident of the US Does 75 hours of service per year per person unless disability prevents Sadly, less than half of households meeting the second condition will meet all four. Some people will just think "Ooh free stuff lets get Obama!" I think that you should give some stuff to get free st00fs . Icup that comment about who you'd help is pathetic. We should help those who need it. Screw it if they are unable to work because they're taking care of children on their own or they're so wrapped up in work and taking care of their children that they have no time to "do 75 hours". If you're putting conditions under which you would help someone, is it helping? Help is supposed to be relief, giving aid. What you're doing is asking that people work, depending on circumstance, so they can earn your "help" approval. President-elect Obama, while I do not agree with everything he says, was elected by Americans to lead us. A large majority of America, and the Electoral College, agrees that he will make an excellent president. The "war" is something we have to finish. President Bush was in office when it began, and he should have at least brought to a decent, clean point for the following president to clean up, but at this point, we can't just run out of there. The opposition to not just US military forces, but also the Iraqi government, pose too much of a threat for us to leave suddenly. We need to finish helping them clean up, and gradually pull our soldiers out. The reason we went over there in the first place was to get Osama Bin Laden. Here we are, over 7 years later, and we have yet to capture him. We need to refocus our goals, if any pertaining to the Mid-East, on capturing Osama Bin Laden because of his list of war crimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 17:21:16 GMT -5
Oops... What I meant was that if they are working weekends then they could bypass the service requirement. I phrased that wrong... People who are not able to support this requirement certainly shouldn't be forced. And Barack Obama even supports it... www.barackobama.com/issues/service/ |
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Post by Revan on Nov 10, 2008 23:17:07 GMT -5
* gasps* proof that barack does support something i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* falls over dead*.....
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Post by Daimyo on Nov 11, 2008 13:53:10 GMT -5
daimyo u were looking forward to a female president werent you? Well, yeah, a female president would be cool... But not at the cost of experience! Palin is very conservative, and as she herself admitted - the girl next door. If you can have someone really bright, like Obama, you wouldn't want the person next door, since whoever runs the country also has to fix the economy. Not that the next person isn't smart - you just want the best odds of the president not becoming a marionet for their advisors. |
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Post by Sir Ewoksrule91 on Nov 11, 2008 16:42:03 GMT -5
If you are talking about the war in Iraq then no we didn't, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And if you are talking about Afghanistan then we haven't been there for 7 years and we aren't leaving there anytime soon, Obama even said that he wants to add more troops there and remove from Iraq.
Some moron even said on TV that Obama was going to pay her gas bills and everything else...
Palin was in office longer than Obama, they were elected at the same time but Obama was never at the Senate and when he did go most of the time he was late...
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Post by directxfire on Nov 11, 2008 21:05:42 GMT -5
He is taxing the people with good paying jobs and 'spreading their wealth' around to people who are too lazy to get up off their butts and find a job. Instead, they are living on the streets in cardboard UPS boxes, getting handouts from Obama. Bad Choice. My apologies Jediace. I remembered reading this and thought it was you. Again, sorry. My previous point is now directed towards Dev: Why do you assume all people who would benefit from the new policies are lazy, homeless, moochers? I mean seriously...come on. |
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Post by Angel Ligero on Dec 4, 2008 10:17:37 GMT -5
Hey I might be a bit late in the discussion, but I hear a lot of good points. I do believe that Obama is the best choice for matter. From what I learned for the debate, Obama is quite the opposite to Mccain in many ways and therefore Obama is quite the choice for office. People explain Mccain has experience for the position, yes maybe he does but is that experience we want in order to run the country? I think not, With Obama, he has plenty of experience in areas that many other people don't have such as experience in the community. he's spent many years working inside communities to help make them better, therefore he's not afraid to step up about certain issues and act on them. It might be a surprise to some people that he walks into crowds and says what he says to me hes a risk taker and a pretty good one. his leadership roles in his biography I read were great. I'm look forward to having a president who puts the people first and works to make our economy better as well as aiming to cleaner and more efficient resources of energy and fuel. I noticed that almost every speech he gave he hardly had a paper he read off of. in saying so he spoke for what he believed not what we wanted to hear his ideas I think came from the work hes done inside communities and so he wanted what would work for the people not himself. I'm glad hes gonna work on making peace with Iran it's about time we make more peace than war.
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